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  16-Mar-18, 00:20   #1
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maragatero 
Joined: Oct '16
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Hi, recently in another thread we was discused about the diference between betting´s player and poker´s player. Some of us said that poker it´s a game that have a mathematic base (probabilities, for example) and need some habilities an experience that it become in something diferent of the bettings. Another guys said that, in internet playing you can open multitabling and then it become in betting game (I don´t think so). But yesterday I found a player that have a betting profile. He had 740 chips and arrive the add on time, he buyed 6000 chips for $2. They were left 890 players, with this buy he become 330 position, but he need to arrive in 10 position for win $ 2,10 (???). Have no sense! Confused

     
  16-Mar-18, 06:24   #2
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Mysik86 

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But maybe he plays for fun rather for making profit? Maybe he won this tournament and make profit? If someone have fun and is happy from his play - why do you bother?

     
  16-Mar-18, 08:18   #3
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doubletop777 
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I really do think that poker is more about the mathematics, that's why i never win, than the gambling. Knowing when you are getting the right price about anything is fundamental and thats why all the top players' know the odds

     
  16-Mar-18, 10:55   #4
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maragatero 
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Posted by Mysik86:
But maybe he plays for fun rather for making profit? Maybe he won this tournament and make profit? If someone have fun and is happy from his play - why do you bother?

Context my friend. I didn´t wrote about how some body like to waste your money when it´s impossible to arrive ITM. In that case, the answer coul be "He is happy wasting his money in a move with no sense".
Here I wrote about the diference between the bets´s players and the poker´s players. The diference between the reason and calcul and hunches with no sense..
And, for the same price an advise: you never could make Mob Points if you continue writing shorts reply and post. But...if you are happy, welcome with that Big Smile

     
  16-Mar-18, 13:10   #5
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ligador37 

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Posted by maragatero:
Hi, recently in another thread we was discused about the diference between betting's player and poker's player. Some of us said that poker it's a game that have a mathematic base (probabilities, for example) and need some habilities an experience that it become in something diferent of the bettings. Another guys said that, in internet playing you can open multitabling and then it become in betting game (I don't think so). But yesterday I found a player that have a betting profile. He had 740 chips and arrive the add on time, he buyed 6000 chips for $2. They were left 890 players, with this buy he become 330 position, but he need to arrive in 10 position for win $ 2,10 (???). Have no sense! Confused


At the time it was not the right decision, but maybe he is a good player and has reached the winning spots.
In my case, in front of a tournament already started, I always see how many minutes of play have passed and how much are the blinds.

At that moment you have to find out if it is convenient or not; something similar happens with the reentry.
In these cases, one bet to reach the first places where the real prize is

     
  16-Mar-18, 15:30   #6
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CALICUL 
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you do not have to worry about this because there in online poker are all kinds of players. Some players plays very well and when they do a lot of rebuys software favors it in many times. For them the number of players does not matter but just their style of play. I saw players playing all in hand after hand, losing and with many rebuys they reached the final table, recover the damage... and earned extra money.

     
  17-Mar-18, 19:10   #7
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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The most important thing is to enjoy the game of poker and whatever you do in life. People's perception of something can vary greatly from person to person. Something that is seemingly correct is not necessarily good or useful in certain circumstances.

     
  17-Mar-18, 21:17   #8
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maragatero 
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Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
The most important thing is to enjoy the game of poker and whatever you do in life. People's perception of something can vary greatly from person to person. Something that is seemingly correct is not necessarily good or useful in certain circumstances.

Yes Tony_MON7ANA you maked a good point. I´m become, slowly but non stop, in an avaricious money´s player...
Where was my recreationall philosofy? May be you remember that it just makes a few weeks, I started to play S&G sistemathically (being good for now), and I let to play the freerolls exclusively. If I continue in this way, I wll seat in the poker´s table with a knifee in my teeth!
Wath a shame!
Thanks Tony for remembered to me... Blink

     
  17-Mar-18, 21:25   #9
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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Posted by maragatero:
Yes Tony_MON7ANA you maked a good point. I'm become, slowly but non stop, in an avaricious money's player...
Where was my recreationall philosofy? May be you remember that it just makes a few weeks, I started to play S&G sistemathically (being good for now), and I let to play the freerolls exclusively. If I continue in this way, I wll seat in the poker's table with a knifee in my teeth!
Wath a shame!
Thanks Tony for remembered to me...

Worship

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Saturday, March 17, 2018 @ 21:31 GMT)


     
  18-Mar-18, 10:44   #10
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Sandmanilo 
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maragatero, I'm thinking you're still doing the right things. Until you are winning the games you are participating in, it's all cool. A knife in the teeth and money in the pockets are signs of a true poker player Smile

Edited by Sandmanilo (Sunday, March 18, 2018 @ 11:40 GMT)


     
  18-Mar-18, 11:31   #11
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vaci38 
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Everyone has their own opinion about playing poker my friend maragatero Blink I can say that you most need luck then all other knowledge about poker and math,It's totally different when playing live poker we look at it at great tournaments, there needs skill Blink I also bought chips at some tournaments but only when I knew that it would give me more money than the money I spend for chips or for a better place on some leaderboard

     
  18-Mar-18, 13:03   #12
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pochui 

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well to be honest you should be really happy with such players me ponders, he shipped some cash towards the prizepool and opted for a strategy that probably offers a very little reward in the long run. but hey, maybe this is his style and he has a proven record even by making such moves

     
  18-Mar-18, 15:33   #13
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CALICUL 
Joined: Jan '14
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live poker is a very complicated game my friend but online poker is disgusting. Live you can never predict what's going to be on the table but online the cards come in very often what the opponent needs. Then you realize you're losing a lot of your life to win some money and you do not succeed because the software was not generous with you. Sad

     
  18-Mar-18, 16:39   #14
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watoba 
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I make only one rebuy when i was unlucky with the first all in and one addon.The most times i make no rebuys. There are so many tourneys that i can play and its made no sense to put more money in the tourney as the last place get paid.
I can better play then the next tourney Big Smile
In live Poker in a Casino is it sometimes very easy to win.When you know how to play live Poker.The most times i know in a short time which player can play and where is the donk but i can say it for me only for low limits game max 2/4€ i dont play higher limits till yet.
So its possible thats the games in higher limits a little bit harder Blink

Edited by watoba (Sunday, March 18, 2018 @ 16:49 GMT)


     
  18-Mar-18, 20:21   #15
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maragatero 
Joined: Oct '16
Location: Argentina
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Hi, I think I found what I tryed to say. There is in the ICM (independient chip model) reasons. In that model you can calculate how much they are worth in each moment of a tournament. If you speak spanish you can read it here http://www.pokerlistings.es/guia-paso-a-paso-del-icm-pa... or if it is interesting for you, you can look for in youtube. But the idea is that the chips will obtain your value of the relation between the payment structure and the stacks of every players who keep alive. Then, buy 6000 chips for become the 330´s stack is ,cientifically, a bad decision.
Agree

     
  18-Mar-18, 21:10   #16
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ligador37 

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In my case, I rarely use the rebuys. I do not see the economic convenience. As they said before, I prefer to save the money for another tournament. I do not directly register in tournaments with unlimited rebuys. I register in tournaments with 1 re-entry as maximum and one addon (1R1A). But never on splash tourneys

     
  18-Mar-18, 23:33   #17
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maragatero 
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Posted by ligador37:
In my case, I rarely use the rebuys. I do not see the economic convenience. As they said before, I prefer to save the money for another tournament. I do not directly register in tournaments with unlimited rebuys. I register in tournaments with 1 re-entry as maximum and one addon (1R1A). But never on splash tourneys

Oh my friend, you are not a freeroll´s player, it isn´t it? In my old world (I´m becamed in a sit and go´s player) of freerolls tournaments, almost everyone had rebuys and add on. Some of them, ridiculous!: freeroll, 1500 initial chips, 1000 players, $ 100 prizes distributed in 130 places, 1º place $ 10- 130º place $ 0,10...rebuy 1500 chips for 1$!!!.
I only rebuyed sometimes in Jackpot tournament, when I lost a bad all in, i´m near the bubble and the worst prize is better than the cost of rebuy. Smile

     
  18-Mar-18, 23:39   #18
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propokerash 
Joined: Nov '13
Location: Macedonia, The former Yugoslav Republic of
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Posted by ligador37:
In my case, I rarely use the rebuys. I do not see the economic convenience. As they said before, I prefer to save the money for another tournament. I do not directly register in tournaments with unlimited rebuys. I register in tournaments with 1 re-entry as maximum and one addon (1R1A). But never on splash tourneys


Completely opposite of you. I don't like rebuy tournaments even they are with 1 re entry and 1 addon. I like knockout tournaments, because the bluff level is at lower % rather others, only because there are no rebuys available.

     
  19-Mar-18, 00:58   #19
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watoba 
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Not really there are so many players they call with every hand equal if a rebuy or a high buyin tournament
The last donk they kicked me out a few places before money had 5 2 in big blind and 80k chips i had to 80k chips in small blind with Ak .all others fold i go all in to take the blinds and he called with 5 2 without a reason he risk the tournament for 12 k chips and win.

The funniest think i see in a live cash game with 2/4 € blinds 5 players in the pot Flop KJ5 turn A river 7 i dont know all cards to 100% is was for a few years but all players are in the pot till end.With bets post Flop ,bets on Flop and so till the end The Pot was around 120€
And @the end 88 wins .Thats was so funny.Maybe all have a small pocket pair or waiting for the Q or T and pay and bet Big Smile
Stupid idiots but how i say very funny

     
  19-Mar-18, 14:34   #20
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pochui 

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Location: Lithuania
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well like many mobbits above told it there are many dues out there who make moves that makes no sense to most of us, but to be honest its their money so they have the perfect right to do whatever they want with it, even make totally silly moves, and maybe this cash is very small to them

     
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